. as fareed says, ukraine is essential. kiev, the gates of kiev, historically essential to the russian vision of its own people and he is nothing else, you know, a russian believer in its destiny, its history, and he is there to restore it after the fall of the soviet empire which he's called the great tragedy of the 20th century and he's not walking away from this and, yeah. he's clever like a fox as somebody in the white house put it to me. is he out of touch with reality? yes, they say, in the sense that he keeps surrounding himself with yes men in the kgb, former kgb officers who give him bad intelligence, who tell him that there are conspiracies in the west but he also knows how to stir up trouble and go after what he wants. >> and the trouble continues. we're watching it closely. carl, appreciate you being on tonight. fareed, as well. coming up tonight, inside independence square. a day in the life of the square, if you will. the site of so much violence, and now a shrine to those who lost their lives. we'll be right back. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber.